Jews themselves, when taken as a tribe on a bell curve, seem to have different instincts, or perhaps the baser instincts of pure self-preservation expressed in paranoia and aggression are more pronounced in Jews.
This phenomenon might also be called cognitive dissonance. What you see is not what you think because you are brainwashed to believe otherwise. So you can not follow your "instincts" or your "gut" and deny who your enemy is. There are two other character traits of Jews is observe: a lack of introspection and a lack of reciprocity. While hyper critical of all other ethnic and religious groups they are not self critical at all. The Frankfurt School and Critical Race Theory are manifestations of Jewish projectionism of their faults by criticizing others. There probably has never been a society so accepting of Jews as America (perhaps Austria?) but now they want us dead.
Excellent advice. Trust your gut/ instincts and Don’t expect the Liars to ever confirm that your instincts for the Truth are right! They won’t do that! Ever! Their methods are to always Deny you the knowledge that you’re right! How do I know this ? I was married to an Armenian 1st born son who’s parents ruined him! They literally raise a “god” that can do no wrong and never discipline him. They then worship him and force his siblings to do the same! This was all confirmed to me once again the other day at the grocery store. I was approached by a woman I never saw before. I helped her find her coffee. Noticing an accent, asked where she was from. She said she was Armenian and proceeded to explain how she had to stand up to her father who was a tyrant. I of course told her my experience. Then explained what I had concluded regarding this culture and how they ruined the first born son. She looked at me contemplatively and said “ Yes! You are exactly right! “. So I’m now wondering how many cultures do this? Then, how many of these first born sons go on to adopt and internalize these Jewish methods and tactics- and when I say “Jew” I absolutely do not mean all Jews! I’m friends with many Jews including my own boyfriend, who is wonderful to me!! Faithful and Caring. Most of us “do unto others as we would have them do unto us “. Most of us want good for others. It’s become obvious that these malevolent forces at work have so intricately planned their vile destruction of good people who just want to be a positive force of helpfulness in society they are able to convince medical students to push synthetic drugs and surgical treatments onto the masses that would otherwise be deemed ridiculous in the majority of the cases. I’d like to recommend a book called “ What really makes you I’ll? Why everything you thought you knew about disease is wrong. They’ve also been lying big time in the Medical cartel! Sadly, I find that it’s the older people in their 70’s and 80’s that do have the most difficult time giving up the lies they fully believe. Belief is the enemy of Knowing. But you must work hard to rid yourself of the Lies. I’m praying for all. While doing the best I can to keep working on myself! Hugs and Love ❤️ ❤️❤️❤️❤️
Good essay Ray. I didn't read through the IAK reference myself, so was good to see it identifying Israelis as the premier organ traffickers, with "holocaust reparations" as a main rationale. Wow, that's moral relativism beyond the limit!
If Gorbashev made sure the Soviet Union would croak, there is not the slightest doubt that those who picked the corpse clean were overwhelmingly Jews.
Putin is a Schwab agent. He got rid of the scavengers after Yeltzin. The embarrassing part is that much of the H* is fiction, but the organ trade is real...
Forgive my ignorance. "H*"? Oh yes, that H! I never capitalize it.
Schwab said Putin was part of the Young Global Leaders Program, but Putin was not on the long list I saw. Some say Putin participates openly in WEF agendas, but secretly is opposed. Keep your enemies closer, seems to be the theory. IDK.
This is the part I find curious. "Of course, I cannot tell you which group of organized or even state-sponsored crime syndicate was/is the organizer." Once you do some serious research, you can tell. No one claims that Jews are the only ones involved in every crime. The real question is who created the culture to make this possible?
For Nietzsche, much of what we have come to call "thinking" was nothing but the disguised and concealed realm that our "affects" and "drives" secretly worked behind. And, one critical component of Nietzsche's psychology was that drives and affects that failed to dominate AND failed to subvert other drives will redirect their energy inwardly towards the soul. It is with this phenomenon that the concept of morality and the "moral man" owes its genesis.
Rarely do I come across people, when discussing the JQ, who bring up Nietzsche, and more specifically his 1887 book 'On The Geneology Of Morality,' especially the '1st Essay,' titled, 'Good and Evil vs Good and Bad'(link below)which deals extensively with what N calls "the slave revolt" in morality, which owes its origins to the Jews, in order to subvert the "natural order," or the "morality of the master's." The importance of this happening, Nietzsche said, cannot be overemphasized! Because its origins is so far removed from us historically, we have lost sight of its significance, and how it has allowed the Jews to turn man into a "sick animal."
"This is precisely why the Jews are the most disastrous people in world history; they have left a falsified humanity in their wake, that even today, Christians can think of themselves as anti-Jewish without understanding that they are the ultimate conclusion of Judaism" - 'The Antichrist'
I have not studied Nietzsche directly, but have come upon many references to him and his ideas. Some are contradictory, such as that Nietzsche was himself a philosemite who admired and defended the Jews. Wasn't Nietzsche himself something of a madman? The line between genius and insanity is fine, I am sure. Some say Nietzsche would not have approved of National Socialism, and NS relied ideologically upon Nietzsche only in a limited sense, mostly his concept of Will. I am not expert in this area.
But you seem to be. Other psychologists have likened thinking to only the surface rationalization and justification for instincts and emotions (affects). Jung of course knew that unexpressed instincts and affects go into the Shadow and subvert the Self (soul?) until integrated.
It sounds as if the "slave revolt" was the event that broke the natural order of the Golden Age and set us upon the downward path to today's Dark Age. Of course the Jews were responsible for that. Now we are "sick animals" thanks to Jews.
So Christians are the ultimate conclusion of Judaism. Nietzsche must have had a low opinion of Christians. Perhaps that is why he wrote "God is dead." Yahweh anyway, let's hope.
Before ever reading anything on Hitler or National Socialism, I had been reading extensively on German philosophy, and Western philosophy in general. I had been reading Kant even before college when, during my freshman year, I had 3 guys in my Philosophy of Law class whose interactions with the teacher I found very fascinating and, to be honest, obscure at the time; but I knew that they knew what they were talking about. All 3 were good friends, took classes together, and simply hung out after school discussing philosophy, science, religion, etc. So, I set-out intentionally to get to know them. I found out what classes they were taking the following semester, and I did the same.
Eventually, over the next few years I formed a friendship with them, especially one named Shane; he was the sharpest of the group. He was a huge factor intellectually in changing my life; he was a bit older, much more well-read at the time, and introduced me to Nietzsche, Junger, and Holderlin. I eventually lost contact with him and them, and went my own way in life, but the seeds had been planted and I took over from there.
At some point, I will discuss what I feel is the central importance in understanding the phenomenon of National Socialism philosophically versus the constant rummaging and explications through studying history and historical events.
I came to eventually understand this through studying Heidegger for over 30yrs. Heidegger calls philosophical thinking "essential thinking," or "primordial science." It is first order science, in that, it owes its origins to the inception of Occidental thought which began with the Greeks. The history and destiny of the West, or Occident, is inextricably bound-up with it. The Greek "Logos," which E. Michael Jones frequently and importantly addresses, is central to this thought.
The challenges and difficulty of Heidegger's thought cannot be tackled here, but I think you can eventually come to understand the importance of his thought. For me, Heidegger is THE thinker for the 21st century! Many people give up on philosophy because of the obscure and, at times, enigmatic and complicated nature of philosophical concepts and reasoning, especially when it is woven together to form an extremely difficult tome like Hegel's 'Science of Logic' or Heidegger's 'Being and Time.'
Now, as far as Nietzsche goes, there are debates as to the "origins" of his "madness." He was in Turin in early January of 1889, when he was seen hugging and comforting a horse that was being flogged by its owner. He collapsed on the spot, losing his mental faculties and any further ability to take care of himself afterwards.
It is this specific event that most point towards as the "onset" of his "mental breakdown." Others believe it is visible incipiently in his last writings, such as 'The Antichrist' and 'Ecce Homo.' There are others who believe that his madness was a consequence of his thought!
Nietzsche did "recover" partially after his collapse to write a handful of enigmatic and bizarre letters. They are not the "ravings of a madman," and do contain some coherence and intelligibility, but they are somewhat cryptic. His famous bushy mustache was the work of his sister alone after he went mad. She, as well as his mother took care of him until his death in 1900 (link below).
Many of Nietzsche's writings on the Jews, Germans, race, nationalism, etc. are definitely ambiguous and, at times, contradictory but, when one understands Nietzsche's call to his readers to "learn to read me well," and that he only wrote for a specific type of dedicated reader and thinker, then one can possibly see he is being intentionally so.
I couldn't even begin here to address the importance of, not only Nietzsche and Heidegger's thought for Western history, but also on the extreme importance of Heidegger's thought on, and about Nietzsche. Of world-historical importance! That for another day though!
Hope you had a good weekend Karl. It was a beautiful fall day here in Salt Lake City today!
I confess that when I came to the chapter on Germanic philosophy in Rosenberg's book The Myth of the 20th Century, I lost track of the concepts and put the book aside. Up to that chapter I found it engaging and fascinating, especially the views on race.
If we had a Nietzsche somewhere today, he would be an autistic savant OCD thinking and typing in his mother's basement. Perhaps we do. And perhaps Nietzsche had a touch of split personality, writing and thinking out of two sides of his brain.
I am most interested in Nietzsche's influence on National Socialism. I know Hitler was influenced by Mommsen, who brought Roman law into influence in Germany.
Nietzsche's thought was only partially inspirational for NS, I am told.
I must follow these links. Thank you for sharing them.
Nietzsche's thought and influence was, by no means, "partial" on National Socialism. Many soldiers during WW II carried with them field-gray editions of Nietzsche's works, especially 'Thus Spoke Zarathustra.' Now, many NS thinkers would selectively pick from his ambiguous corpus. Alfred Baumler(1887-1968), who had the ear of Hitler on occasion, was one who was heavily involved with Nietzsche's thought, he edited Nietzsche and wrote for the German public. He was a friend of Rosenberg as well. A book I have that deals with the topic of N's influence is Steven Aschheim's 'The Nietzsche Legacy In Germany: 1890-1990' Aschheim is a Jew, but actually does a pretty good job sourcing and discussing N's influence.
There are some who believe that Hitler was the spiritual executor of Nietzsche's spiritual testament. For some, such as Taha, Nietzsche was a proto-National Socialist whose influence is much more direct and obvious. Here:
American readers were introduced to Nietzsche primarily through Walter Kaufmann's translations starting in the 1950's. Kaufmann, as a Jew, made it his mission to "save Nietzsche from the Nazis." His portrayal of Nietzsche as a philosemite is definitely misleading. While N's writings on Jews are ambiguous and contradictory at times, he levelled heavy criticism towards them on multiple occasions. Kaufmann created what I would call a "soft" Nietzsche for American readers.
Part of the problem as well, is the difficulty in translation from German to English. Nietzsche does translate acceptably, while someone like Heidegger does not, however Nietzsche's aphoristic style can present problems at times with subtle meanings and connotations. There are other subtle damages achieved by Kaufmann that neither time nor space will permit. I'm just trying to give you a rough outline. Here is a polemic on Kaufmann's watered-down, liberal-Nietzsche:
In closing, I will say this,...Nietzsche did not write to be understood by the herd, if you will. He said so many times, in so many words. From 'Ecce Homo:'
"He who knows how to breathe the air of my writings, knows that it is an air of the heights, a robust air. One has to be made for it, otherwise there is no small danger one will catch a cold. The ice is near, the solitude is terrible- but how peacefully all things lie in the light! How freely one breathes! How much one feels beneath one!"
Nietzsche never wanted to make it easy for those who took the time to read him. He wanted his true and dedicated readers to "suffer him," and to learn to "read him well," and understand him through great suffering. It is truly great suffering that separates the high from the low!
"Of all that is written, I love only what a person has written with his blood. Write with blood, and one will find that blood is spirit. It is no easy task to understand unfamiliar blood. I hate the reading idlers. He who knoweth the reader doeth nothing more for the reader. Another century of "readers"- and the spirit will stink! Everyone being allowed to learn to read, ruineth in the long run , not only writing but thinking. Once spirit was God, then it became man, and now it becometh populace. He that writeth in blood and proverbs doth not want to be read, but learned by heart" - Thus Spoke Zarathustra
It might have been better if I had said "not exclusive" rather than "partial." We know Hitler and the original DAP and then the NSDAP had other influences than Neitzsche. Mommsen, Heidegger, Luther, Junger (complex influence)... Quite a few others come up in Eckart's A Dialogue Between Hitler and Me. Some came directly from the DAP itself, with apparently little prior influence, such as Gottfried Feder's economic theory.
Joe Atwill in his essay "The Freemason Invention of the Nazi Party" seems to say that not only was Theosophy and the "Secret Doctrine" of Blavatsky a major influence, it was the only influence. I am debunking this in a multi-part series.
Excellent summary! I would only add that "Thus Spoke Zarathustra," is the last of Nietzsche's writing you should read. It is full of metaphors that would be difficult to interpret without already having a working knowledge of his other writing. One statement Nietzsche made I found worth remembering throughout my reading life was, "If you want to understand a writer, read what he said, not what others said about him." Once you feel comfortable with understand a writer, you can see the prejudices of those who want to tell you how to interpret him.
A key to understanding 'Thus Spoke Zarathustra' is contained in the subtitle- A Book For All And None! What appears on the surface as contradictory, maybe conceals the central problematic of the long poem, which 'Zarathustra' is. But, how can a book be for All and simultaneously for None?
Nietzsche once called his 'Zarathustra' the "greatest gift to mankind," so he either understood something of its historical importance, or he had an exaggerated self-appraisal of his own work. Something tells me it's contained in the former!
Heidegger indicated that all of the books Nietzsche wrote after 'Zarathustra' were basically "postscripts" or "appendices" to that work.
Zarathustra' itself, revolves around Chapter 2 of Part 3- 'On the Vision and the Riddle.' It is here where Nietzsche introduces his "thought of thoughts;" the eternal recurrence of the same! The book is for All, in that it is available to everyone to read, however, the book is for None, in that, nobody has yet come along who is capable of unwinding the riddle the dwarf poses in the "thought of thoughts."
I have studied both National Socialism and Nietzsche all of my life and have all of his writing unedited available in German. I have never found any contradiction between Hitler's thinking and Nietzsche's. Keep in mind Nietzsche's sister, Elizabeth, who controlled and edited some of his writing at the time, was a great admirer of Hitler until her death in 1936. Hitler gave a leather-bound set of Nietzsche's work to Mussolini as a birthday present, which demonstrates his feelings concerning the philosopher.
Nietzsche's books were forbidden in Germany immediately after WW 2. because the Jews at the time had no problem recognizing his influence on national socialism. And Wagner's music was forbidden in Israel for decades. The US Jew Walter Kaufman translated Nietzsche into English at a later time and rehabilitated Nietzsche, often in cherry-picked partial translations. He accomplished this by adding his own interpretation to every one of his translations. That was clever because English readers were immediately confronted with his reinterpreting Nietzsche in a way that made the reader believe that Nietzsche actually hated anti-Semites. Something that had escaped Nietzsche's sister Elizabeth, Hitler, and all the national socialists who held Nietzsche in high esteem. This was much more effective than forbidding Nietzsche's books, which would make people suspicious. It also explains why English speakers have ambivalent feelings about Nietzsche and his thoughts concerning Jews.
Richard Wagner, with whom Nietzsche had a close relationship and probably spent hundreds of hours in discussion, was an anti-Semite of the first rank. So, Nietzsche was very much aware of the arguments against Jews at the time. Some of Nietzsche's comments that apparently criticized anti-Semitism were made after his break with Wagener and have to be understood as distancing himself from Wagner's thinking. After all, Nietzsche wrote two books criticizing Wagener because he felt he had to free himself from Wagner's thinking unless he would remain in his shadow.
Nietzsche's writing is full of comments that demonstrate that he understood the problem with Jews very well. He made it a point that it was the Jew Paulus who corrupted early Christianity.
After WW 2 books in different languages, including translations from the Russian, emerged desperately attempting to prove that Nietzsche had nothing to do with the national socialists. There was obviously a need to explain something away to make sure post-WW2 academics don't conflate Nietzsche with Hitler.
In a sense Nietzsche is a bit of a Rorschach test. He felt (correctly) that only by engaging in contradictory ideas could there result in a synthesis resulting in complexification on a higher plane, so people can see in him what they want to see as he writes out of both sides of his mouth. For example, he is known for being philosemitic, but also for quotes like this: “The Jews are the most remarkable nation of world history because, faced with the question of being or not being, they preferred…being at any price: the price they had to pay was the radical falsification of all nature, all naturalness, all reality, the entire inner world as well as the outer.…Considered psychologically, the Jewish nation is a nation of the toughest vital energy which…took the side of all décadence instincts…because it divined in them a power by means of which one can prevail against ‘the world.’ The Jews are the counterparts of décadents: they have been compelled to act as décadents to the point of illusion….[T]his kind of man has a life-interest in making mankind sick, and in inverting the concepts of ‘good’ and ‘evil,’ ‘true’ and ‘false’ in a mortally dangerous and world-maligning sense." Not exactly a ringing endorsement.
Anyway, my understanding is that Nietzsche thought society had to descend into fullblown materialist nihilism as the final expression of its own values -- but there was a chance that society could then emerge from it with transvalued values, whatever they might be, going mad before he could devise any such system.
Yes Ed, exactly. Paul of Tarsus inverted Roman morality as a weapon of war in the lead-up to the destruction of the second temple, and Nietzsche was directly on point on this issue. This doesn't speak to the nature of Jesus himself who Nietzsche called the "one true Christian", nor does it speak to how Christianity eventually evolved, but I see Paul of Tarsus's actions specifically as the earliest form of spiritual bolshevism. This whole post is on it: https://neofeudalism.substack.com/p/deeper-societal-trends-predating
What did Jews think of Fascism in interwar Italy? Given Mussolini’s belligerent dictatorship and his alliance with Hitler, it seems only natural that Italian Jews would have opposed his regime. In this lecture, Dr Shira Klein reveals quite the contrary. Jews rarely opposed Mussolini until 1938, when the Fascist government enacted a series of racist laws against them. Until that date, most Jewish attitudes to Fascism ranged from mild criticism, to indifference, to fervent support of the regime. This talk will explain why. Dr. Klein uses a lively selection of sources to trace what Jews thought of Fascism, from memoirs to photographs and songs.
History and the bible tells us who the Jews are. Jesus himself said that the Jews are not his people and trace their linage back to Cain. According to Joseph they are from Esau(Edom) and was conquered in 110 BC and converted to Judaism. They stabbed the Israelites in the back by opening the gates of Jerusalem and allowing the Romans in. For a reward Herod(Edomite) was made King and he replaced all the Levites (Government) with Edomites.
Edom is named after Esau, the Redheaded twin of Jacob/Israel (white ppl) who married Hittite women. Hittites are one of the 10 tribes of Cain who married Nomadic people (Asian) and built a city. To know the Jewish mind you need to study the Asian mind.
I can add very little to the in depth discussion by Ed, Karl, Reno and Neo. I bow before such erudition. One thing tho, E Mike Jones thought Nietzsche (always have to check spelling) died from syphilis. I know at some period he was supposed to have visited prostitutes.
This phenomenon might also be called cognitive dissonance. What you see is not what you think because you are brainwashed to believe otherwise. So you can not follow your "instincts" or your "gut" and deny who your enemy is. There are two other character traits of Jews is observe: a lack of introspection and a lack of reciprocity. While hyper critical of all other ethnic and religious groups they are not self critical at all. The Frankfurt School and Critical Race Theory are manifestations of Jewish projectionism of their faults by criticizing others. There probably has never been a society so accepting of Jews as America (perhaps Austria?) but now they want us dead.
Excellent advice. Trust your gut/ instincts and Don’t expect the Liars to ever confirm that your instincts for the Truth are right! They won’t do that! Ever! Their methods are to always Deny you the knowledge that you’re right! How do I know this ? I was married to an Armenian 1st born son who’s parents ruined him! They literally raise a “god” that can do no wrong and never discipline him. They then worship him and force his siblings to do the same! This was all confirmed to me once again the other day at the grocery store. I was approached by a woman I never saw before. I helped her find her coffee. Noticing an accent, asked where she was from. She said she was Armenian and proceeded to explain how she had to stand up to her father who was a tyrant. I of course told her my experience. Then explained what I had concluded regarding this culture and how they ruined the first born son. She looked at me contemplatively and said “ Yes! You are exactly right! “. So I’m now wondering how many cultures do this? Then, how many of these first born sons go on to adopt and internalize these Jewish methods and tactics- and when I say “Jew” I absolutely do not mean all Jews! I’m friends with many Jews including my own boyfriend, who is wonderful to me!! Faithful and Caring. Most of us “do unto others as we would have them do unto us “. Most of us want good for others. It’s become obvious that these malevolent forces at work have so intricately planned their vile destruction of good people who just want to be a positive force of helpfulness in society they are able to convince medical students to push synthetic drugs and surgical treatments onto the masses that would otherwise be deemed ridiculous in the majority of the cases. I’d like to recommend a book called “ What really makes you I’ll? Why everything you thought you knew about disease is wrong. They’ve also been lying big time in the Medical cartel! Sadly, I find that it’s the older people in their 70’s and 80’s that do have the most difficult time giving up the lies they fully believe. Belief is the enemy of Knowing. But you must work hard to rid yourself of the Lies. I’m praying for all. While doing the best I can to keep working on myself! Hugs and Love ❤️ ❤️❤️❤️❤️
The link in this article inspired me to write a follow-up on the subject:
https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/organ-trafficking-is-more-than-it
Whatever is said about Jews in the above article, seems to apply to more humans than one would like to believe...
Good essay Ray. I didn't read through the IAK reference myself, so was good to see it identifying Israelis as the premier organ traffickers, with "holocaust reparations" as a main rationale. Wow, that's moral relativism beyond the limit!
If Gorbashev made sure the Soviet Union would croak, there is not the slightest doubt that those who picked the corpse clean were overwhelmingly Jews.
Putin is a Schwab agent. He got rid of the scavengers after Yeltzin. The embarrassing part is that much of the H* is fiction, but the organ trade is real...
Forgive my ignorance. "H*"? Oh yes, that H! I never capitalize it.
Schwab said Putin was part of the Young Global Leaders Program, but Putin was not on the long list I saw. Some say Putin participates openly in WEF agendas, but secretly is opposed. Keep your enemies closer, seems to be the theory. IDK.
This is the part I find curious. "Of course, I cannot tell you which group of organized or even state-sponsored crime syndicate was/is the organizer." Once you do some serious research, you can tell. No one claims that Jews are the only ones involved in every crime. The real question is who created the culture to make this possible?
I think both questions are apt to ask and answer, amounting to the question: Who Leads? Or: Would this problem even exist without their leadership?
I think I know.
Actually, the real question is who is enabling and enforcing it...
For Nietzsche, much of what we have come to call "thinking" was nothing but the disguised and concealed realm that our "affects" and "drives" secretly worked behind. And, one critical component of Nietzsche's psychology was that drives and affects that failed to dominate AND failed to subvert other drives will redirect their energy inwardly towards the soul. It is with this phenomenon that the concept of morality and the "moral man" owes its genesis.
Rarely do I come across people, when discussing the JQ, who bring up Nietzsche, and more specifically his 1887 book 'On The Geneology Of Morality,' especially the '1st Essay,' titled, 'Good and Evil vs Good and Bad'(link below)which deals extensively with what N calls "the slave revolt" in morality, which owes its origins to the Jews, in order to subvert the "natural order," or the "morality of the master's." The importance of this happening, Nietzsche said, cannot be overemphasized! Because its origins is so far removed from us historically, we have lost sight of its significance, and how it has allowed the Jews to turn man into a "sick animal."
"This is precisely why the Jews are the most disastrous people in world history; they have left a falsified humanity in their wake, that even today, Christians can think of themselves as anti-Jewish without understanding that they are the ultimate conclusion of Judaism" - 'The Antichrist'
http://fs2.american.edu/dfagel/www/genealogy1.htm
I have not studied Nietzsche directly, but have come upon many references to him and his ideas. Some are contradictory, such as that Nietzsche was himself a philosemite who admired and defended the Jews. Wasn't Nietzsche himself something of a madman? The line between genius and insanity is fine, I am sure. Some say Nietzsche would not have approved of National Socialism, and NS relied ideologically upon Nietzsche only in a limited sense, mostly his concept of Will. I am not expert in this area.
But you seem to be. Other psychologists have likened thinking to only the surface rationalization and justification for instincts and emotions (affects). Jung of course knew that unexpressed instincts and affects go into the Shadow and subvert the Self (soul?) until integrated.
It sounds as if the "slave revolt" was the event that broke the natural order of the Golden Age and set us upon the downward path to today's Dark Age. Of course the Jews were responsible for that. Now we are "sick animals" thanks to Jews.
So Christians are the ultimate conclusion of Judaism. Nietzsche must have had a low opinion of Christians. Perhaps that is why he wrote "God is dead." Yahweh anyway, let's hope.
Before ever reading anything on Hitler or National Socialism, I had been reading extensively on German philosophy, and Western philosophy in general. I had been reading Kant even before college when, during my freshman year, I had 3 guys in my Philosophy of Law class whose interactions with the teacher I found very fascinating and, to be honest, obscure at the time; but I knew that they knew what they were talking about. All 3 were good friends, took classes together, and simply hung out after school discussing philosophy, science, religion, etc. So, I set-out intentionally to get to know them. I found out what classes they were taking the following semester, and I did the same.
Eventually, over the next few years I formed a friendship with them, especially one named Shane; he was the sharpest of the group. He was a huge factor intellectually in changing my life; he was a bit older, much more well-read at the time, and introduced me to Nietzsche, Junger, and Holderlin. I eventually lost contact with him and them, and went my own way in life, but the seeds had been planted and I took over from there.
At some point, I will discuss what I feel is the central importance in understanding the phenomenon of National Socialism philosophically versus the constant rummaging and explications through studying history and historical events.
I came to eventually understand this through studying Heidegger for over 30yrs. Heidegger calls philosophical thinking "essential thinking," or "primordial science." It is first order science, in that, it owes its origins to the inception of Occidental thought which began with the Greeks. The history and destiny of the West, or Occident, is inextricably bound-up with it. The Greek "Logos," which E. Michael Jones frequently and importantly addresses, is central to this thought.
The challenges and difficulty of Heidegger's thought cannot be tackled here, but I think you can eventually come to understand the importance of his thought. For me, Heidegger is THE thinker for the 21st century! Many people give up on philosophy because of the obscure and, at times, enigmatic and complicated nature of philosophical concepts and reasoning, especially when it is woven together to form an extremely difficult tome like Hegel's 'Science of Logic' or Heidegger's 'Being and Time.'
Now, as far as Nietzsche goes, there are debates as to the "origins" of his "madness." He was in Turin in early January of 1889, when he was seen hugging and comforting a horse that was being flogged by its owner. He collapsed on the spot, losing his mental faculties and any further ability to take care of himself afterwards.
It is this specific event that most point towards as the "onset" of his "mental breakdown." Others believe it is visible incipiently in his last writings, such as 'The Antichrist' and 'Ecce Homo.' There are others who believe that his madness was a consequence of his thought!
Nietzsche did "recover" partially after his collapse to write a handful of enigmatic and bizarre letters. They are not the "ravings of a madman," and do contain some coherence and intelligibility, but they are somewhat cryptic. His famous bushy mustache was the work of his sister alone after he went mad. She, as well as his mother took care of him until his death in 1900 (link below).
Many of Nietzsche's writings on the Jews, Germans, race, nationalism, etc. are definitely ambiguous and, at times, contradictory but, when one understands Nietzsche's call to his readers to "learn to read me well," and that he only wrote for a specific type of dedicated reader and thinker, then one can possibly see he is being intentionally so.
I couldn't even begin here to address the importance of, not only Nietzsche and Heidegger's thought for Western history, but also on the extreme importance of Heidegger's thought on, and about Nietzsche. Of world-historical importance! That for another day though!
Hope you had a good weekend Karl. It was a beautiful fall day here in Salt Lake City today!
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https://youtu.be/Pe2GILFGvVk?si=gNFAkdlvC4HVTSjI
https://www.amazon.com/Heideggers-Roots-Nietzsche-National-Socialism/dp/0801472660
I confess that when I came to the chapter on Germanic philosophy in Rosenberg's book The Myth of the 20th Century, I lost track of the concepts and put the book aside. Up to that chapter I found it engaging and fascinating, especially the views on race.
If we had a Nietzsche somewhere today, he would be an autistic savant OCD thinking and typing in his mother's basement. Perhaps we do. And perhaps Nietzsche had a touch of split personality, writing and thinking out of two sides of his brain.
I am most interested in Nietzsche's influence on National Socialism. I know Hitler was influenced by Mommsen, who brought Roman law into influence in Germany.
Nietzsche's thought was only partially inspirational for NS, I am told.
I must follow these links. Thank you for sharing them.
Nietzsche's thought and influence was, by no means, "partial" on National Socialism. Many soldiers during WW II carried with them field-gray editions of Nietzsche's works, especially 'Thus Spoke Zarathustra.' Now, many NS thinkers would selectively pick from his ambiguous corpus. Alfred Baumler(1887-1968), who had the ear of Hitler on occasion, was one who was heavily involved with Nietzsche's thought, he edited Nietzsche and wrote for the German public. He was a friend of Rosenberg as well. A book I have that deals with the topic of N's influence is Steven Aschheim's 'The Nietzsche Legacy In Germany: 1890-1990' Aschheim is a Jew, but actually does a pretty good job sourcing and discussing N's influence.
https://www.amazon.com/Nietzsche-Legacy-Germany-Weimar-Now/dp/0520085558
There are some who believe that Hitler was the spiritual executor of Nietzsche's spiritual testament. For some, such as Taha, Nietzsche was a proto-National Socialist whose influence is much more direct and obvious. Here:
https://www.amazon.com/NIETZSCHE-PROPHET-NAZISM-SUPERMAN-Unveiling/dp/1420841211
American readers were introduced to Nietzsche primarily through Walter Kaufmann's translations starting in the 1950's. Kaufmann, as a Jew, made it his mission to "save Nietzsche from the Nazis." His portrayal of Nietzsche as a philosemite is definitely misleading. While N's writings on Jews are ambiguous and contradictory at times, he levelled heavy criticism towards them on multiple occasions. Kaufmann created what I would call a "soft" Nietzsche for American readers.
Part of the problem as well, is the difficulty in translation from German to English. Nietzsche does translate acceptably, while someone like Heidegger does not, however Nietzsche's aphoristic style can present problems at times with subtle meanings and connotations. There are other subtle damages achieved by Kaufmann that neither time nor space will permit. I'm just trying to give you a rough outline. Here is a polemic on Kaufmann's watered-down, liberal-Nietzsche:
https://reddit.com/r/askphilosophy/s/ya8voUBthi
In closing, I will say this,...Nietzsche did not write to be understood by the herd, if you will. He said so many times, in so many words. From 'Ecce Homo:'
"He who knows how to breathe the air of my writings, knows that it is an air of the heights, a robust air. One has to be made for it, otherwise there is no small danger one will catch a cold. The ice is near, the solitude is terrible- but how peacefully all things lie in the light! How freely one breathes! How much one feels beneath one!"
Nietzsche never wanted to make it easy for those who took the time to read him. He wanted his true and dedicated readers to "suffer him," and to learn to "read him well," and understand him through great suffering. It is truly great suffering that separates the high from the low!
"Of all that is written, I love only what a person has written with his blood. Write with blood, and one will find that blood is spirit. It is no easy task to understand unfamiliar blood. I hate the reading idlers. He who knoweth the reader doeth nothing more for the reader. Another century of "readers"- and the spirit will stink! Everyone being allowed to learn to read, ruineth in the long run , not only writing but thinking. Once spirit was God, then it became man, and now it becometh populace. He that writeth in blood and proverbs doth not want to be read, but learned by heart" - Thus Spoke Zarathustra
It might have been better if I had said "not exclusive" rather than "partial." We know Hitler and the original DAP and then the NSDAP had other influences than Neitzsche. Mommsen, Heidegger, Luther, Junger (complex influence)... Quite a few others come up in Eckart's A Dialogue Between Hitler and Me. Some came directly from the DAP itself, with apparently little prior influence, such as Gottfried Feder's economic theory.
Joe Atwill in his essay "The Freemason Invention of the Nazi Party" seems to say that not only was Theosophy and the "Secret Doctrine" of Blavatsky a major influence, it was the only influence. I am debunking this in a multi-part series.
Excellent summary! I would only add that "Thus Spoke Zarathustra," is the last of Nietzsche's writing you should read. It is full of metaphors that would be difficult to interpret without already having a working knowledge of his other writing. One statement Nietzsche made I found worth remembering throughout my reading life was, "If you want to understand a writer, read what he said, not what others said about him." Once you feel comfortable with understand a writer, you can see the prejudices of those who want to tell you how to interpret him.
A key to understanding 'Thus Spoke Zarathustra' is contained in the subtitle- A Book For All And None! What appears on the surface as contradictory, maybe conceals the central problematic of the long poem, which 'Zarathustra' is. But, how can a book be for All and simultaneously for None?
Nietzsche once called his 'Zarathustra' the "greatest gift to mankind," so he either understood something of its historical importance, or he had an exaggerated self-appraisal of his own work. Something tells me it's contained in the former!
Heidegger indicated that all of the books Nietzsche wrote after 'Zarathustra' were basically "postscripts" or "appendices" to that work.
Zarathustra' itself, revolves around Chapter 2 of Part 3- 'On the Vision and the Riddle.' It is here where Nietzsche introduces his "thought of thoughts;" the eternal recurrence of the same! The book is for All, in that it is available to everyone to read, however, the book is for None, in that, nobody has yet come along who is capable of unwinding the riddle the dwarf poses in the "thought of thoughts."
https://www.bard.edu/library/pdfs/archives/Heidegger-Who_is_Neitzsches_Zarathustra.pdf
https://eternalisedofficial.com/2020/09/18/nietzsche-the-eternal-recurrence/
I have studied both National Socialism and Nietzsche all of my life and have all of his writing unedited available in German. I have never found any contradiction between Hitler's thinking and Nietzsche's. Keep in mind Nietzsche's sister, Elizabeth, who controlled and edited some of his writing at the time, was a great admirer of Hitler until her death in 1936. Hitler gave a leather-bound set of Nietzsche's work to Mussolini as a birthday present, which demonstrates his feelings concerning the philosopher.
Nietzsche's books were forbidden in Germany immediately after WW 2. because the Jews at the time had no problem recognizing his influence on national socialism. And Wagner's music was forbidden in Israel for decades. The US Jew Walter Kaufman translated Nietzsche into English at a later time and rehabilitated Nietzsche, often in cherry-picked partial translations. He accomplished this by adding his own interpretation to every one of his translations. That was clever because English readers were immediately confronted with his reinterpreting Nietzsche in a way that made the reader believe that Nietzsche actually hated anti-Semites. Something that had escaped Nietzsche's sister Elizabeth, Hitler, and all the national socialists who held Nietzsche in high esteem. This was much more effective than forbidding Nietzsche's books, which would make people suspicious. It also explains why English speakers have ambivalent feelings about Nietzsche and his thoughts concerning Jews.
Richard Wagner, with whom Nietzsche had a close relationship and probably spent hundreds of hours in discussion, was an anti-Semite of the first rank. So, Nietzsche was very much aware of the arguments against Jews at the time. Some of Nietzsche's comments that apparently criticized anti-Semitism were made after his break with Wagener and have to be understood as distancing himself from Wagner's thinking. After all, Nietzsche wrote two books criticizing Wagener because he felt he had to free himself from Wagner's thinking unless he would remain in his shadow.
Nietzsche's writing is full of comments that demonstrate that he understood the problem with Jews very well. He made it a point that it was the Jew Paulus who corrupted early Christianity.
After WW 2 books in different languages, including translations from the Russian, emerged desperately attempting to prove that Nietzsche had nothing to do with the national socialists. There was obviously a need to explain something away to make sure post-WW2 academics don't conflate Nietzsche with Hitler.
In a sense Nietzsche is a bit of a Rorschach test. He felt (correctly) that only by engaging in contradictory ideas could there result in a synthesis resulting in complexification on a higher plane, so people can see in him what they want to see as he writes out of both sides of his mouth. For example, he is known for being philosemitic, but also for quotes like this: “The Jews are the most remarkable nation of world history because, faced with the question of being or not being, they preferred…being at any price: the price they had to pay was the radical falsification of all nature, all naturalness, all reality, the entire inner world as well as the outer.…Considered psychologically, the Jewish nation is a nation of the toughest vital energy which…took the side of all décadence instincts…because it divined in them a power by means of which one can prevail against ‘the world.’ The Jews are the counterparts of décadents: they have been compelled to act as décadents to the point of illusion….[T]his kind of man has a life-interest in making mankind sick, and in inverting the concepts of ‘good’ and ‘evil,’ ‘true’ and ‘false’ in a mortally dangerous and world-maligning sense." Not exactly a ringing endorsement.
Anyway, my understanding is that Nietzsche thought society had to descend into fullblown materialist nihilism as the final expression of its own values -- but there was a chance that society could then emerge from it with transvalued values, whatever they might be, going mad before he could devise any such system.
Yes Ed, exactly. Paul of Tarsus inverted Roman morality as a weapon of war in the lead-up to the destruction of the second temple, and Nietzsche was directly on point on this issue. This doesn't speak to the nature of Jesus himself who Nietzsche called the "one true Christian", nor does it speak to how Christianity eventually evolved, but I see Paul of Tarsus's actions specifically as the earliest form of spiritual bolshevism. This whole post is on it: https://neofeudalism.substack.com/p/deeper-societal-trends-predating
Yes! There was only one Christian, and that guy died on the cross!
Paul comes from the Latin Palus; which in Hebrew, I believe is Schaul? My spelling could be off!
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I had a little Latin. Didn't recognize Palus. You probably meant Paulus, like the German WW2 general. https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/the-meaning-of/latin-word-61e99630ada7814ab26da37750f1a25e78c2607d.html
Hebrew is Shaul but in English Saul.
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Why Italian Jews Liked Facism
What did Jews think of Fascism in interwar Italy? Given Mussolini’s belligerent dictatorship and his alliance with Hitler, it seems only natural that Italian Jews would have opposed his regime. In this lecture, Dr Shira Klein reveals quite the contrary. Jews rarely opposed Mussolini until 1938, when the Fascist government enacted a series of racist laws against them. Until that date, most Jewish attitudes to Fascism ranged from mild criticism, to indifference, to fervent support of the regime. This talk will explain why. Dr. Klein uses a lively selection of sources to trace what Jews thought of Fascism, from memoirs to photographs and songs.
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Italy's Jews from Emancipation to Fascism
by Shira Klein | Jan 23, 2020
Jews like any centralized government because they can subvert it.
Jews like Democracies the best, because it's the form of government most easily corrupted and almost impossible to change from within.
History and the bible tells us who the Jews are. Jesus himself said that the Jews are not his people and trace their linage back to Cain. According to Joseph they are from Esau(Edom) and was conquered in 110 BC and converted to Judaism. They stabbed the Israelites in the back by opening the gates of Jerusalem and allowing the Romans in. For a reward Herod(Edomite) was made King and he replaced all the Levites (Government) with Edomites.
Edom is named after Esau, the Redheaded twin of Jacob/Israel (white ppl) who married Hittite women. Hittites are one of the 10 tribes of Cain who married Nomadic people (Asian) and built a city. To know the Jewish mind you need to study the Asian mind.
I can add very little to the in depth discussion by Ed, Karl, Reno and Neo. I bow before such erudition. One thing tho, E Mike Jones thought Nietzsche (always have to check spelling) died from syphilis. I know at some period he was supposed to have visited prostitutes.
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