We return to my debate with Joseph Atwill on this topic of the potential occult Theosophical creation of the National Socialist German Labour Party (NSDAP).
Mr. Atwill’s essay:
The Freemason Invention of the Nazi Party
I request of Mr. Atwill that we title our debate as above: “Atwill vs. Haemers: Who Created the National Socialist Party?” Something composed of human beings with aspirations, visions and utopian dreams for the optimum expression of a racially homogeneous nation and folk 1000 years into the future cannot be said to be “invented” like a liquid fuel long-range rocket, a special chemical nerve gas weapon, or a jet fighter plane. I propose “created” because that suggests a more esoteric or divine origins such as all of Creation or a human being in the womb.
Second, I propose we use the historically accurate terms such as National Socialist Party and NSDAP rather than “Nazi” in keeping with our strict scholastic standards. Besides, “Nazi” is a racist slur term “invented” by a Jewish journalist Konrad Heiden, and we should use the term the NSDAP called themselves (especially if the Theosophical Society gave them the party name—which I assert they did not). Or will Mr. Atwill claim the Theosophists assigned the name “Nazi” too?
Mr. Atwill might be willing to approve this title, since it favors his side of the debate and makes my side more challenging to prove, under this frame. I am confident of my arguments.
Dietrich Eckart: Theosophist or National Socialist?
A key component of Atwill’s argument relies on Dietrich Eckart as the vector or agent by which Theosophy “created” the NSDAP. Eckart is mentioned 23 times in Atwill’s essay, and we will not review them all here, but select key phrases:
“…Blavatsky’s Secret Doctrine, which Dieter Eckart claimed somehow inspired Adolf Hitler.”
As I stated in Part 1, “somehow” will not suffice. We must know how. Atwill presents a theory:
“Though it has been little noticed by historians, Blavatsky’s disciple Dietrich Eckart claimed that Hitler was the Maitreya. Eckart claimed that he was “told in a séance that the ‘Lord Maitreya’ would soon make his appearance as a German messiah. Eckart saw himself as being charged with the responsibility of ‘nurturing’ the Maitreya.”
The Twisted Cross. Credible Source?
Atwill’s source here is the book The Twisted Cross by Joseph Carr, p. 110. I searched Archive and Open Library for a digital copy of this book, but no success. Only a picture of the cover showed on Archive, and open library led me to a West Coast Baptist College Library site which only showed the chapter titles. Here are the first few:
”Evil, be thou my good -- The Counterfeit Messiah : Adolf Hitler -- Was Hitler demon possessed? -- The Twisting of the Cross -- Heinrich Himmler : The Black Jesuit -- Evil young gods of death -- The SS : Satan's soldiers…”
This smacks of Jewish anti-NS ongoing war propaganda and literal demonization techniques. The publisher of The Twisted Cross in 1985 was Huntington House. I could not find a website for this publisher to verify that ownership and top editors were Jews, as is so common in the publishing industry.
Atwill must not have found a full copy of the book either, since his hyperlink takes us to a web page of Let Us Reason Ministries, which appears not to be even a prolonged sections of Carr’s book The Twisted Cross, but simply includes the passage Atwill copies. This passage on Let Us Reason Ministries attributes the passage as “(from The Twisted Cross, Joseph Carr, p.110)” Of the entire source Atwill attributes to The Twisted Cross, only 2 of the many attributions on the Let Us Reason Ministries page refers to that book.
Let Us Reason Ministries states on its “About the Director” page, under “My Testimony by Mike Oppenheimer,” in it’s very first sentence: “I was brought up Jewish…” Atwill may want to contest my claim that this source cannot be credible for support of his argument that Freemasons created the NSDAP, because Oppenheimer goes on to tell his spiritual journey through New Age and occult practices, drug abuse and surfing which ultimately led him to the true Christian religion of Jesus. I would maintain that Oppenheimer, Director of Let Us Reason Ministries, is still by nature a Jew and conversos are not to be trusted.
Not Atwill, Haemers nor Oppenheimer access the full source The Twisted Cross, and I request that this source be omitted until it is.
Much of Atwill’s argument rests upon it however, since he states: “This fact could not be more important because, as shown below, Eckart can be said to have created the ‘Adolph Hitler persona’.”
Jewish Virtual Library on Eckart
Atwill freely admits that his next mention of Eckart comes from none other than the Jewish Virtual Library:
”The Jewish Virtual Library further explains:
The Thule Society, which espoused ideas of extreme nationalism, race mysticism, virulent anti-Semitism, and the occult, was formed shortly after the end of World War I in Munich by Glauer. It attracted about 250 ardent followers in Munich and about 1500 in greater Bavaria. Members of the Thule Society included the future Nazis Rudolf Hess, Dietrich Eckart, and Alfred Rosenberg.
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/rudolf-von-sebottendorf
I went to the Eckart entry and it made no mention of Theosophy, Blavatsky, Freemasonry or even occult. The Jews at JVL would certainly demonize their hated “Nazi” Eckart with every “fact” they had available, so why no mention of Theosophy and Blavatsky? It did make one mention of Eckart joining the Thule Society in 1913. I will address the Thule Society in another part of this debate. Here we are concerned with the central individual to Atwill’s theory of Freemasonic creation of the NSDAP: Dietrich Eckart.
Mein Kampf on Eckart
In Atwill’s next section “The Man Who Trained Hitler Was a Theosophist,” Eckart features foremost. In 5 of the first 6 paragraphs, Atwill makes various claims about the Theosophist and occult master Eckart, but provides no references. I expect he has them though, since some of the phrases are in “quotes” as if they are derived verbatim from sources. I request Mr. Atwill provide the sources for these paragraphs.
The one of the 6 paragraphs that does have a reference is stated in the text as Mein Kampf.
Atwill:
”Hitler dedicated the second volume of Mein Kampf, (sic) to Eckart, writing that Eckart was ‘one of the best, who devoted his life to the awakening of our people, in his writings and his thoughts and finally in his deeds.’”
I have three hard copy translations of Mein Kampf—The Stalag Edition, The Ford Translation, and the new translation by Thomas Dalton—and all affirm that Atwill is correct in this quote. Dalton provides a footnote: “Eckart (1868-1923) was one of the three traditional founders—along with Gottrried Feder and Anton Drexler—of the German Workers’ Party (DAP), the precursor to the NSDAP. Eckart died of a heart attack in 1923 at age 55.” (Hitler, Adolf, Mein Kampf, Volume 2, Translated by Thomas Dalton, Clemens & Blair, New York and London, 2019, p. 605)
This accurate quote Atwill mentions in no way implicates Eckart as a Theosophist, Freemason nor an occultist of any kind, not in Hitler’s dedication nor Dalton’s description of Eckart. In fact Hitler’s dedication to Eckart acknowledges his contribution to National Socialism, but presumably that is only because Hitler is hiding Eckart’s true contribution to Hitler’s Theosophy, according to Atwill. I request that this quote be dismissed as evidence that Eckart and thus the NSDAP was created by Theosophy, since it makes no mention of it.
Eckart’s ‘death bed quote’
The quote has to be taken in the context of Atwill’s other claims about Eckart, which we will now examine. And they are crucial, as Atwill himself declares:
”The following quote from Eckart is important to this analysis. It completely exposes the hidden linkage between the Freemasonry and the man who led the German people to destruction.”
Here is that “important” quote from Eckart that Atwill claims “completely exposes the hidden linkage” between Freemasonry and Hitler:
“Follow Hitler. He will dance, but it is I who have called the tune! I have initiated him into the ‘Secret Doctrine;’ opened his centers in vision and given him the means to communicate with the Powers. Do not mourn for me: I shall have influenced history more than any German.”
This is claimed to have been a death bed statement. I am immediately suspicious of death bed statements, given the lies said to be such statements by Ignatius of Loyola founder of the Jesuits, and Louis Pasteur, founder of the false germ theory. So let us pursue the source trail for Atwill’s claim to this “important” death bed statement by Eckart.
Atwill provides: “Hitler’s Cross, Lutzer, p61”
Again it goes not to the full book in digital form on Archive or Open Library, but to a Google Book Preview, which shows the relevant Chapter 3 and the relevant Eckart quote when searching ‘secret doctrine.’ It is indeed found on page 61. We will accept this source as credible and relevant.
The Lutz quote has its own source reference, however. In footnote 4 we find—
Footnote 4 is not shown in the preview. So I went and found Lutzer’s Hitler’s Cross on archive.org. If it was so readily available, I am disappointed in Atwill for not using it instead of the abbreviated Google Book source, which does not show Lutzer’s own source for the Eckart death bed quote.
Footnote 4 says: “Trevor Ravenscroft, The Spear of Destiny (York Beach, Maine: Weiser, 1982), 91
I could not find a digital source for The Spear of Destiny by Ravenscroft, though I found Ravenscroft’s sequel The Mark of the Beast: The Continuing Story of the Spear of Destiny. It returns no hits for the Eckart death bed quote. A dead end.
The Original Source of Eckart’s ‘death bed statement’
If Atwill can provide a tangible credible source for The Spear of Destiny reference, I will consider it. For now, my best source is a review of the book by William A. White’s essay in the May/June 2021 issue of the Barnes Review titled: “Exploring Trevor Ravencroft’s The Spear of Destiny. “
Here we learn the final source for the Eckart death bed quote. Prepare yourselves.
We require an extended quote by White about the Ravenscroft source:
“Mixed in with the legend of the Spear of Destiny are brutal attacks on the alleged ‘satanic black magic’ of Hitler and his major allies. These maudlin tales appeal to a certain type of conspiracy theorist—the type who would like to see Hitler as a pawn of the Rothschilds and Judeo-occultism. Dietrich Eckhart, says Ravenscroft, sits at the center of this conspiracy. At one point, he and the anti-Bolshevik White Russian emigres, whom Hitler had known in the early 1920s, allegedly conducted a type of black mass, summoning ‘ectoplasmic heads and shrouds’ from a woman as Alfred Rosenberg psychically questioned them.
Later, Eckhart, whose ‘inner core within the Thule Group was composed of satanists who practiced black magic,’ says Ravenscroft, initiates Hitler using a ‘form of ritual magic derived from the horrible satanic magic of Aleister Crowley.’ Between 1919 and 1923, we are told, ‘the Thule Society, which was secretly an order of assassins, caused up to 300 people to disappear,’ and it is ‘from among these missing persons ... that we must look to find the sacrificial victims who were murdered in the rites of astrological magic carried out by Eckhart.’ From these victims, Eckhart performed ‘indescribably sadistic and ghastly’ rites to open ‘the [mind] of Hitler to give him a vision of and means of communication with [satanic] powers.’”
These are the claims Ravenscroft makes of Eckart, and I acknowledge that I cannot present the opinions of a pre-biased White as part of my argument. For myself, these depictions of Eckart by Ravenscroft read precisely similar to the lurid and eerie war propaganda and atrocity stories of genocidal gas chambers, lampshades made of Jewish skin, and soap rendered from Jewish fat. I know Atwill will agree that those accounts are the most ridiculous war propaganda atrocity stories. But he may not agree the same of Ravenscroft’s attempt to literally demonize Eckart.
So let us finally come to the ultimate source of the Eckart death bed quote.
Under section The Akashic Method:
”Throughout his introductory chapters, Ravenscroft hints at how he and his mentor Dr. Stein came to possess such extensive inside knowledge of the life of Hitler. In the introduction, Ravenscroft mentions a ‘quite new technique of historical research involving the use of occult faculties and the practice of mind expansion.’ Only near the end of the book, in Chapter 21, does Ravenscroft explain this ‘technique,’ which involves ‘that category of intuitive knowledge gained through reading the ‘Cosmic Chronicle’ in which the whole past of mankind can be recovered.’ The ‘Cosmic Chronicle’ is the Akashic Record. As Ravenscroft quotes Rudolf Steiner’s An Outline of Occult Science:
”The facts concerning the primeval past have not passed beyond occult research. If a being comes into corporeal existence, his material part perishes after physical death. But the spirit-forces which, from out of their own depth, gave existence to the body, do not disappear in this way. They leave their traces, their exact images, behind them, impressed upon the spiritual ground work of the world. Anyone who is able to raise his perceptive faculty through the visible to the invisible world, attains at length a level, on which he may see before him what may be compared to a vast spiritual panorama, in which are recorded all the past events of the world’s history. These imperishable traces of everything immaterial are called occult science in the Akashic Record.”
White continues:
”From here (Steiner’s Anthroposophic description of the Akashic Record derived from Blavatsky’s Theosophy), it’s a short jump to Ravenscroft’s psychic presence in the room with Hitler and Eckhart as they sacrifice Jews and Communists.”
We could stop here and declare that Atwill’s death bed quote by Eckart is inadmissible as historic evidence to support the argument that the NSDAP was created by Eckart the Theosophist or at least Freemasonic occultist, because the final source is—
The Akashic Record.
I trust Mr. Atwill is willing to recognize this source as not credible to sincere historians, but only to fantasists with a fetish for demonizing Hitler and the NSDAP including Eckart, and to Jews with a desperate agenda to do the same.
Stein he Jew and Steiner’s Occult Observations of Hitler and Eckart
But there is more. Ravenscroft’s mentor Dr. Walther Stein was Jewish. Even wikipedia says so.
White has more to share, and we should be thorough:
”And, in this fantasy, Rudolf Steiner, the largely unknown founder of anthroposophy, becomes Hitler’s ‘greatest enemy’ because he led ‘an extensive circle of Grail initiates who had discovered the satanic nature of Eckhart’s Thule Group and watched over all of their meetings and initiation rituals from the astral plane.’”
Feel free, Mr. Atwill and all participants in this debate, to read the rest of White’s account of Ravenscroft’s Spread of Destiny to discover the rank lies that Stein met Hitler in 1913 in Vienna and recognized his occult powers even then, and to see White’s basic summary of the book. Oh hell, I’ll show it here:
“The Spear of Destiny is an amusing slander and fantasy—not a serious work on World War II or Adolf Hitler.”
I do declare I have enjoyed great mirth at the holohoax memes, cartoons and fantasies supplied by the Dissident Right folks. I know Mr. Atwill gets the humor as well. The similar attempts by Jews and their colluders to literally demonize Eckart, Hitler and the NSDAP with accusations of occultism will be a rich source of dark humor as well. I look forward to the memes.
A Dialogue Between Hitler and Eckart & The Young Hitler Kubizek Knew
Finally regarding Eckart, I will briefly mention a well known book which I have in my possession, Bolshevism From Moses to Lenin: A Dialogue between Adolf Hitler and Me by Dietrich Eckart (translated William Pierce, National Vanguard Books, 1966). It’s authenticity is disputed by Jews and others, but only because it is not a verbatim continuous dialogue between the two, but the compilation of multiple dialogues, with some basic editing to make the conversation more understandable and readable.
In the introduction Pierce acknowledges: “… it is the last earthly work of the man who, as the intimate companion of Adolf Hitler during those critical, early years in Munich, helped prepare the spiritual foundations of National Socialism.” (p. 2) Almost the entirety of the dialogues focus on the Jewish Question: Jews in history, Jews in Germany, Jews in banking, Jews in media… Nothing in this book even hints that the “spiritual foundations of National Socialism,” were in Theosophy or Freemasonry. Mr. Atwill will likely say that of course the occult sorcerer Eckart would never reveal so publicly his devious influence over the young impressionable Hitler, but nevertheless I felt this an honest reliable source of the relations between Hitler and Eckart to deserve mention.
In a related matter, Atwill’s reference to the Hitler’s Cross Google Books Chapter 3 mentions August Kubizek’s observation of a young Hitler seemingly channeling some form of energy or entity (p. 66).(!) Though the Google book does not reference it, this account is found in Kubizek’s book. To quote Lutzer who quotes Kubizek: “Even those who knew Hitler from his early days were well aware of his occult powers. August Kubizek, a friend, said ‘It was is if another being spoke out of his body…It was not a case of a speaker carried away by his own words… It felt as though he himself listened with astonishment and emotion to what broke forth from him.’” (p. 66) (!)
These words are indeed found in Kubizek’s book The Young Hitler I Knew, on page 49. A search reveals no hits for Theosophy, Blavatsky, Secret Doctrine, Freemason nor even occult. Kubizek attributes “another being (that) spoke out of his body” thus:
“…it was a state of complete ecstasy and rapture, in which he transferred the character of Rienzi, without even mentioning him as a model or example, with visionary power to the plane of his own ambitions. But it was more than a cheap adaptation. Indeed, the impact of the opera was rather a sheer external impulse which compelled him to speak. Like flood waters breaking their dikes, his words burst forth from him. He conjured up in grandiose, inspiring pictures his own future and that of his people.”
Kubizek tells earlier how he and Hitler went to see a Wagner opera called “Rienzi,” about “Rienzi's rise to be the Tribune of the people of Rome and his subsequent downfall.”
So while this appears to be a genuine spiritual experience—one many of us can remember happening to us in some form—Kubizek attributes it not to demonic possession or occult demons inhabiting the body of a satanically charged Hitler, but to the inspiring effect of the Wagner “Rienzi” opera.
Many of those known as Esoteric Hitlerists (I would prefer a better label, perhaps Hitler Avatarists or Mythic Hitlerists or something) such as Savitri Devi and Miguel Serrano claim this incident as their own, as a moment when the spirit of his destiny emerged in the young Hitler in the form of his True Self, that propelled the rest of his remarkable career. No one but the Demonic Hitlerist defamation agents claim it was any kind of black occult incident from the influence of Theosophy.
Conclusion
A number of the source citations Atwill provides in his section on Dietrich Eckart as the vehicle by which Theosophy “created” Hitler and the NSDAP are discredited, especially the Eckart death bed quote upon which Atwill rests so much of his argument. We have traced it ultimately to the Akashic Record. That is an even less reliable source than the OSS, MI5 and World Jewish Congress were for lampshades.
Other of Atwill’s sources are Jewish, such as Stein, Oppenheimer, and JVL, which I would like to dismiss reflexively on grounds of questionable motive and conflict of interest, but concede that it would not be proper debating form. We must evaluate the content of sources, and attribute their identity only as a secondary factor. After all, Benjamin Freedman was Jewish.
2 of Atwill’s Jewish sources refer at all to the occult: Stein and Oppenheimer. William White has sufficiently discredited Stein as a source, and Oppenheimer refers to The Twisted Cross, which White also ultimately discredits. JVL makes no mention of Theosophy, Blavatsky, Secret Doctrine nor even the occult in its entry on Eckart, and in its eagerness to demonize NS and Hitler it certainly would if it could.
We do have a credible source for a personal relationship between Eckart and Hitler, and it focuses almost entirely upon the Jewish Question, with no hint of a mention of Theosophy etc.
Finally, Kubizek’s account of a spiritual experience by Hitler cannot be claimed by Theosophy, because it was inspired not by demonic occult forces, but by Wagner’s opera “Rienzi.”
In #3 we will examine the claim that the Thule Society was engaged in occult evil, most specifically Freemasonic Theosophic occultism, and that this inserted its influence into—indeed was the creative force for—the NSDAP. Or not.
I have a paperback copy of Spear of Destiny. Read it avidly when young. If push comes to shove and you need some verbatim quotes from it or even the book itself, let me know. jamiethistle@webtv.net
The most interesting section is that on Rienzi, the first major Wagner opera, which Hitler so adored that he bought the autograph complete score of the opera - the only one. It was lost at the end of WW2 so all productions of the opera cannot work from a complete score. Note that Friedrich Engels also wrote a libretto to Rienzi (the tale having been written up by Edward Bulwer-Lytton, whose work Wagner also read), this discovered in the property of a deceased musician, the authenticity confirmed by Engels' distinctive handwriting and cartoons! I.e. a Right-Left distinction is hard to make, especially when Wagner called himself a "communist", based however on the alleged situation of the disciples after Jesus' death, as related in the Acts of the Apostles.
I had also read Ravensworth's Spear of Destiny decades ago, and found it to be quite sensationalist, so was not impressed by its claims. Hitler and even Mussolini were anti-Freemasonic, but this does not mean that Freemasons would NOT have aided their coming to power, especially as the Freemasonic elite in Britain always wanted Germany and Communist Russia to be at loggerheads.